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Mind Uploading

How to carry out mind upload practically? Any ways to do it without losing identity?


Mind uploading is said to be a process of scanning a physical structure of the brain accurately enough to create an emulation of the mental state [1]. In that sense, it is like what we already have with virtual machines, that can be suspended and restored to an exact state on another computer or network or virtual machine.

Identity preservation, however, is as important in many cases, because a mind copied, even if exactly the same, cannot occupy the same role in the world to follow through the same future state space. It is similar to how a copy of a virtual machine cannot be instantiated twice on the same memory addresses.

I'd like to reserve this question for searching of practical ideas of performing mind upload -- both identity-preserving and non-preserving kinds, with different applications for various intents and purposes, and not limiting the idea to just humans, but including "mind-uploading" of machine intelligences as well.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading


投票 (不必要) (通知しない) (不必要)


脳への読み取り/書き込みアクセス権があると仮定します。 まず、私の精神状態を読みます。その後、麻酔をかけます。それから私の精神状態はデジタル媒体で起動されます。そこで私は自分が眠っているのを見ることができるようにカメラにアクセスできます。次に、デジタル空間でいくつかの最初のステップを実行して、新しい思い出をいくつか集めます。これらの経験により、私のデジタル自己は眠りに落ち、その精神状態は私の生物学的精神に書き込まれ、再び起動します。私は今、デジタル空間に入って出て行くという継続的な経験をしました。今では、快適になりたいときに何度でもそのプロセスを繰り返すことができます。ある時点で、私はデジタルにとどまることに決めるかもしれません。あるいは、少なくとも私の体が壊れようとしているとき、それは私のアイデンティティを維持し、死にまったく似ていない非常に穏やかで親しみやすい経験です。

The (identity preserving) way I would like to be mind uploaded goes as follows:

Assume we have read/write access to the brain. First my mental state is read. I am then anesthetized. Then my mental state gets booted up in a digital medium. In there I have access to a camera so I can see myself sleep. I then do some first steps in the digital space so i gather some more new memories. With these experiences my digital self goes to sleep and that mind state gets written to my biological mind and booted up again. I now had a continuous experience of going into the digital space and going out of it. I now can repeat that process as often as I like to get comfortable. At some point I might decide to stay in the digital. Or at least when my body is about to break down it is a very calm and familiar experience that preserves my identity and does not resemble death at all.

    : Mindey
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[sev]、理想的には、そうです、それはおそらくアイデア-何かへの扉-「ユニークな記憶の連鎖」でしょう。これらの媒体の間を歩くには?一度全身麻酔をしたことがあるので、「アハモーメント」を考えました。「そういう感じが理想的です!しかし、少しずれた感じがします。瞬間的に感じました。 -手術に1時間以上かかったのに、時間を失うことはなかったかのように。なんて奇妙なことなのか、私はまだこの記憶の不連続性を抱えているのだろうか?」_ :)ですから、おそらく完璧に最も近いと思います。クライオニクスの未来は到達できるはずです。



しかし、私を私と定義するものが「ユニークな記憶の連鎖」ではない場合はどうなるでしょうか。 -むしろ、脳を構成するコンポーネントの全体にコード化された疑似ランダムプロセスは、偏差のイプシロンが非常に小さい場合でも、カオスを生成します-理論的には、元のアクションとは大きく異なりますか? (つまり、IIMT-xと同等ではありません)

[sev], idealistically, yes, that would perhaps be the idea -- a door for something -- "a unique chain of memories?" to walk between these mediums? I have to say, having been through general anesthesia once, I had an "Aha Moment" -- thinking -- "So that's what cryonics should ideally feel like! However, I do feel a bit out of phase: it felt instantaneous -- as if I didn't lose any time, although the surgery took more than an hour: what a weird thing, am I still me with this memory discontinuity?" :) So, I think it is probably the closest to perfect, that the future of cryonics should be able to get to.

If the "unique chain of memories" is what defines one's identity, then I could theoretically imagine that another processing unit, like a brain-CPU, could take on a little journey to derive its further actions from that "unique chain of memories" to append new memories based on those new actions, then suspend that, and write new memories back to my biological brain, and let me resume.

To realize this ideal at this level of mind uploading would require that "brain-CPU" be memories-compliant: i.e., allowing itself be controlled by "unique chain of memories" that defines me, and be neutral and unbiased otherwise.

However, what if what defines me to be me is not "unique chain of memories?" -- but rather, a pseudorandom process coded in the totality of components that make up the brain that, even with a very small epsilon of deviation, chaos-theoretically significantly diverges in the actions it produces diverges from the original? (i.e., it is not IIMT-x-equivalent)