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An economic system that frees humanity from unnecessary suffering and meaningless work

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This is a relatively old problem for humanity, but that has been gaining new nuances with each major wave of innovation: the agricultural revolution (arguably where the problem really started), then the industrial revolution and currently the computer revolution.

The problem in its current form is this: humanity possesses both the resources and technology to provide basic necessities to everyone in the planet: housing, food, water and basic medical care. However, the current economic system does not create incentives for this to happen, and there are many other social and cultural impediments. An important point is this: it is a social, not a technological problem.

Of course it is hard to consider this problem without discussing some famous attempts. I will list some obvious ones, while trying to avoid ideological discussions -- one of the social impediments that gets in the way addressing this issue rationally. Of course, this is a highly simplistic summary:

  • Marxism / Communism appears to have failed due to removing incentives for people to work. Extreme collectivism appears to eventually lead to brutal repression, because the only way to survive is then to force people to do what the collective needs.

  • Contemporary Capitalism appears to be collapsing under increasing inequality. Once a small fraction of the population amasses a significant portion of the resources, it becomes capable of creating international organizations that both transcend and dictate local laws, effectively side-stepping democracy.

Proponents of both Marxism, Capitalism and other systems -- let's consider an abstract ideology X -- typically use the argument that what failed was not "true X". "True X" would solve all the problems. Upon examination, "True X" always seems to assume perfect people acting in good faith.

Is it possible to devise a system that does not require ideal humans to work?

We are currently stuck in a situation where resource distribution is done through jobs. The problem is that, as technology progresses, more and more jobs become obsolete. It appears that we are already in a situation where the adult population vastly outnumbers the number of real jobs available. Social scientists are pointing out the phenomena of "bullshit jobs" -- an increasing number of unnecessary and meaningless jobs that are created to maintain social stability. This is tragic: people are being imprisoned for large chunks of their lives simply because there is no sane way of redistributing wealth.

Another unsustainable aspect of the current economic system is its reliance on growth. It is trivial to conclude that infinite growth cannot be maintained in a finite environment, and it is also trivial to observe how destructive this position is to the environment. One simple illustration of this is the phenomena of "planned obsolescence". As with bullshit jobs, planned obsolescence consumes real resources to achieve the abstract aim of economic stability.

How to create the incentives for people to cooperate, maintain scientific and technological progress, increase individual freedom and reduce unnecessary suffering? Can such a system be imagined without falling for the "perfect human beings" trap?




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実際、すべての企業はI / Oプロセスとしてビジネスを運営しており、これは現在の銀行システムで非常によく見られます。人類が使っている会計システムに問題があるのではないかと思います。誰が私たちが物事をどのように説明すべきか、そしてそれをどのように再定義するかを定義し、定義し続けています-多分それを考えることはいくつかの実りある結果につながるかもしれませんか?金銭的な見返りはあるが、それらの会社への公平な分配がなく、仕事の結果と同等で比例している企業に行く多くの時間と多くの仕事があります。人々の仕事の結果は「購入され所有された商品」と見なされ、従業員または請負業者の所有権の大部分が残っているものではありません。つまり、雇用主が仕事の代金を支払うだけの場合、時間のコストのみをカバーします。つまり、従業員は受け取ったお金を時間として投資しました。つまり、この場合、従業員はその結果の50%が作成されます。私が実際に説明しているシステムはビデオですが、デモスプレッドシートがあります。

In fact, all companies run their businesses as I/O processes, that are very visible in the current banking system. I think, the issue may lie very much in the accounting system, that humanity uses. Who defined and continues to define how we should account things, and how to redefine that -- maybe thinking of that may lead to some fruitful results? There's a lot of time that goes unaccounted, and a lot of work, that goes to companies, with monetary rewards, but without a fair share of the equity into those companies, equivalent and proportional to the work results. The results of the people's work are considered "commodity bought and owned", not something that remains in large part the employee's or contractor's ownership. What I mean is if the employer is paid for the work just to get by, then we only covered the costs of the time, which means, that the employee invested the money received as time, which means that in this case, the employee should own 50% of that result created. The system I explain actually in a video, but there is a demo spreadsheet.


苦しみは最適化からくると思います。最初から物を作ることからではありません。

人々は、レポートを調べ、レポートを作成し、分析するために雇われます。退屈な仕事です。

I think suffering comes from optimisation. Not from building things from scratch.

People are hired to go through reports, create reports and do analysis. It's boring work.


「市場経済は人々のニーズに合わせて資源の分配を調整できる」という神話は打ち砕かれましたか?

“市场经济能够调节资源分配和人的需求相匹配 “的神话破灭了吗?


人々は自由なものを乱用し、当然のことと思っています。ですから、みんなに無料のものを処方するように注意する必要があると思います。

仕事は意味のあるものでなければならず、思いやりのある人間によって管理されるべきです。私は、最低賃金の仕事で働く人々のためのredditグループであるantiworkのフォロワーです。人々はロボットのように扱われ、とても簡単に処分されます。

いくつかの作業は大変な作業で、汚く、危険ですが、実行する必要があります。このような、誰もやりたくない仕事にもっとお金を払うことを提案します。人々は仕事をするために必死になってはいけません。

People abuse and take for granted things that are free. So I think we should be careful to prescribe free stuff for everybody.

Work should be meaningful and should be managed by compassionate human beings. I'm a follower of antiwork, a reddit group for people who work in minimum wage jobs. People are treated like robots and disposed of so easily.

Some work is hard work, dirty, dangerous, but needs to be done. I propose we pay more for jobs that are like this, that nobody wants to do. People shouldn't be desperate to do jobs.



    : Mindey, 尹与及
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人々は余剰分を他の人に無料で譲るのが好きではありません。人々は社会にフリーローダーの問題があると感じています。あなたは「生計を立てなければならない」。私はそれが間違っていて、信じられないほど近視眼的だと思います。この一般的な主流の意見があります「私は私のものを持っています、他のみんなと性交します」。

人々は故意に他の恵まれない市民から利益を取り除くために投票します。それは人間の本性がどれほどひどいのかです。

People don't like giving up their surpluses to other people for free. People feel that there is a free loader problem in society. You 'have to earn your living'. I think it's wrong and incredibly short sighted. Theres this prevailing mainstream opinion 'i have got mine, fuck everybody else'.

People deliberately vote to remove benefits from other, less fortunate citizens. That's how terrible human nature is.



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//人々は余剰分を他の人々に無料で譲るのが好きではありません。 //

それはゼロサム精神であり、彼らがしたことに対する信用フィードバックシステムを彼らに与える追跡システムの欠如です。すべての寄付と寄付、あなたのアイデアのすべての読み取りとリポジトリからのデータのすべてのフェッチがあなたによって追跡され、誰かの超大胆なスタートアップを、その人があなたのブログまたはあなたのリポジトリから読んだアイデアと結び付けることができると想像してみてください。そのスタートアップから、そしてあなたがインスピレーションを得た他のすべての成功からクレジットを取り戻すことを可能にします。

資産と情報のソースによる情報のコピーの資産コピーのトレーサビリティを実施するためのオプションは、突然人々が共有するものと読むものについて長期的に考えるため、「ゼロサム」の計算を減らすことができると思います。ただし、匿名の情報交換市場は、そのような追跡に関係なく存在し、新しいIPのようなものであっても、識別子が削除された海賊版データに少し似ています。 -an-analysis-of-the-new-ip-proposal-to-the-itu-t /)。しかし、それは確かに監視社会とプライバシーの侵食につながる副作用を持っています。

システムが開封確認を要求し、実績を気にする匿名のIDで履歴を取得するための簡単なツールとオプションの実際の存在だけだと思います(WoT)将来のクレジットを懸念する人々が使用することを選択できる新しいゲームを作成し、それが新しい社会規範につながる可能性があります。

// People don't like giving up their surpluses to other people for free. //

It's the zero sum mentality, and lack of tracking systems that would give them credit feedback systems for what they did. Imagine if every donation and giving, that every read of your idea and every fetch of data from your repository was tracked by you, and you could connect someone's super-duper startup with the ideas that the person had read from your blog or your repository, making it possible to get back the credit from that startup, and every other success, that you had inspired.

I think the optionality for enforcement of traceability of the transfers of assets copies of information by the source of assets and information, can reduce the "zero sum" calculation, because suddenly people would think long-term about what they share and what they read. Howevertheless, anonymous information exchange markets will exist regardless of such tracking, a bit like pirated data stripped of identifiers, even with something like New IP. However, it certainly has side effects leading to surveillance society and erosion of privacy.

I think, just the actual presence of easy tools and optionality for systems to demand read receipts and fetch histories with anonymous identities that care about their track records (WoT) would create a new game, that people concerned about the future credit could opt to use, and that possibly may lead to new social norms.


私は、あなたが成功するために必要な体や物は、利益の一部を報われるべきであるという概念に同意します。

正しい人と必要な人に報いるべきです。つまり、これは、あなたまたはあなたの成果を向上させる途中のサービスや製品に貢献するすべての労働者を意味します。

私はこの必要性のアイデアチェーンを呼びました-あなたを就職の面接やビジネスミーティングに連れて行くタクシー運転手はあなたを他の誰かよりも選んだ人です。彼は彼の仕事とあなたの成功に貢献するために何か特別な価値があります。

あなたの製品やサービスを戸外に出すすべての労働者は、彼の利益の削減に同意する必要があります。

https://0oo.li/method/59001/chain-of-necessity-or-chain-of-distribution

I agree with the concept that any body or any thing that was necessary for you to succeed should be rewarded a portion of the profits.

We should reward those that are right and those that are necessary. So this means any worker that contributes to you or any service or product on the way that enhanced your output.

I called this idea chain of necessity - that taxi driver that takes you to a job interview or to a business meeting is someone who chose you over someone else. He deserves something extra for his work and contributing toward your success.

Every worker in getting your product or service out the door should agree with his cut of the profits.

https://0oo.li/method/59001/chain-of-necessity-or-chain-of-distribution#1630399963

One idea I had that we should invest in the success ingredients of individuals and share their outputs. I call this baby citizen investment.

https://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Baby_20citizen_20investment

I think the finance industry is corrupt, bloated and not very innovative. It's very self serving and provides very little toward society. The stock market does not reflect on the health of the economy.

However index funds reveal a very important and useful idea of distributing your bets across everybody for success. We should do that with people and projects. Government and other people have a stake in your success and they also contribute to your success. Taxation can be just another chain or necessity or claim on your success.

If it weren't for your government funded education, you probably wouldn't have been able to read and write unless your parents taught you. So you owe the government something for the money the government spent on you.

Government spending should be a bit like index fund investment. Invest in lots of people and things and hope that some items grow more than others. Government should invest more in successful students at school. Doing well should unlock more investment in you because you're a winner.

I received a scholarship, bursary and grant when I applied for university because of my grades and writing quality when I applied to my department.

If I give someone and idea they wouldn't have originally had then I deserve some profit from the ultimate result.

The same way that Jeff Bezos parents are probably the true cause of Amazon's success because they gave him $245,000 to start up.

The VC model in society is truly messed up. The relationship between a investor and founder is adverserial and the investors try to remove the founder ASAP by diluting the shares and equity of the founder. They try get as much equity as possible for the least investment. They're greedy and over state their importance in what makes a successful company.

This post covers how bad it can be

https://auren.substack.com/p/lets-talk-about-founder-compensation



    : Mindey
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